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Porsche and Nissan trade off-track insults over that lap time

October 4th, 2008 Posted in Nissan, Porsche

Nissan GT-R laps Nurburgring in 7 minutes 29 seconds

A few days ago a Porsche official made the extraordinary public claim that Nissan cheated when setting the GT-R’s amazing lap of 7 minute 29 seconds around the Nürburgring Nordschleife. And now Nissan is fighting back defending its honour.

At a recent preview of the 911 Cabrio August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, spoke to Australian media outlet CARSguide saying, “This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car. For us, it’s not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres.” Achleitner’s suggestion of Nissan using semi-slick racing tyres has already been denied. Back in May Drivers-Republic spoke to the GT-R’s development chief Kazutoshi Mizuno about their stunning Nordschleife lap time and this is what Mizuno had to say, “This time was set on a totally standard car, just like a customer will get. For us ‘Time Attack’ must be repeatable in a customer car. No special brake pads or cut-slick tyres - everything was standard GTR.” Quite definitive really.

Amazingly Porsche went to the trouble of buying their own GT-R, from Nissan in the US, and shipping the car to the Ring to run their own tests. Achleitner revealed that a top Porsche test engineer, with extensive Nürburgring experience, could only muster a best lap in the GT-R of 7 minutes 54 seconds, some 25 seconds slower than Nissan’s widely published time. On the same day, the same driver recorded a best times of 7 minutes 38 seconds and 7 minutes 34 seconds, in a 911 Turbo and GT2 respectively.

Now Nissan has hit back defending their time claiming they did not cheat.

Quoted at the Paris Motor Show, Nissan’s European spokesman Neil Reeve said “Quite simply we’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche. The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom.They’re not trick tyres – absolutely standard tyres, normal road tyres.

“The GT-R comes with Bridgestone and Goodyear (Dunlop). One tyre gives slightly better times around the ‘Ring. We did it on Dunlop. They’re available with the car,” he said.

While not as brazen as Achleitner’s attack, Reeve’s subtle digs will no doubt raise the ire of Porsche officials. “In our experience in Europe, the GT-R has widely matched, at least, if not beaten, the 911 Turbo on various track tests. They can draw their own conclusions.

“I’m cheeky enough to say it’s flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany, they want to try it. I guess that’s some kind of stamp of approval,” he said.

Source: CARSguide & Drive.com.au (Thanks to Dylan for the tip.)

  1. 15 Responses to “Porsche and Nissan trade off-track insults over that lap time”

  2. By M@ on Oct 7, 2008

    Sounds like sour grapes to me. I think that Porsche are still a little sore about the fact that they we made the benchmark to beat. I think that Nissan will (or should) sit on it and then invite Porsche out to the ‘ring when they take the “V-spec” out to the track.
    If they did do their time as they claim (and I believe) then the V-spec lap under supervision from Porsche should match if not beat the 7:29 time. I believe that the dessert special at the Pitstop Cafe` that day would be humble pie…..

  3. By Liam on Oct 7, 2008

    Yeah, I tend to agree with you M@.

    It must sting Porsche pretty bad that the GT-R has not only generated so much hype, but seems to have the merit to back it up as well.

    I’m still amazed by it myself to be honest, haha!

  4. By Gareth on Oct 27, 2008

    Porsche should just get over it!

  5. By Knowledge on Jan 24, 2009

    HAHAH The truth is NISSAN LIED!! Nothing to get over or sit on, Porsche is just calling out a lair..

  6. By lee on Mar 7, 2009

    Nothing better than a story about an under dog beating the best, sells lots of mags to those being miss-led.

    Nobody can re-produce the 7.29, nobody because a stock standard Nissan can’t do that time not even the worlds best sports car manufacturer.

    Porsche have revealed the truth along with lots of others and I still read that nissan beats Porsche etc etc. Like when???
    It’s like saying a Timex watch is better than a Rolex because it almost does the same thing at a fraction of the price. Now really, if you were offered a Porsche or a Nissan to keep for ever and not sell which would you pick?? The Porsche will still beautiful in 20 years and the Nissan???

  7. By Mat on Mar 8, 2009

    Quoted from Wheels Magazine, January 2008, “First Drive: Nissan GT-R”, p.57 by Michel Stahl [written at an official preview of the car at the Nurburgring]:

    “Each of the three test cars wore Bridgestone Potenza RE070R rubber, specifically 255/40ZRF20 up front and 285/35ZRF20 rear. Aside from run-flat capability, they’re clearly your minimally treaded, ‘R-compound’ track day fodder, in contrast to the optional (unseen) ‘all weather’ Dunlops.”

    So the “secret” behind the magic lap times was really out a long time ago. The RE70Rs are marketed by Bridgestone (only in GTR sizes) as an “Extreme Performance Summer Tyre”; their treadwear rating (a good pointer to compound characteristics) is 140 - a similar number to that of trackday tyres.

    I recall Nissan tried a similar stunt with the R33 a few years ago, then claiming that street tyres “weren’t suitable for the racetrack”. Now if only they could convince the Koln car rental firms…

  8. By Liam on Mar 8, 2009

    Thanks for posting that Mat.

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